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Venthyr Compendium

This guide is not telling you to pick Venthyr or that Venthyr is always the superior pick. It is simply made to show everything about how to maximize your potential as a Venthyr Balance Druid if you do decide to switch to Venthyr.

All information in this guide was tested and verfied using simulations found here: https://balance-simc.github.io/Balance-SimC/

Everything in this guides assumes you are playing with the new Venthyr legendary Sinful Hysteria as this is the reason that Venthyr has gotten any attention at all.

Going from Night Fae Balance Druid to Venthyr Druid is a big gameplay change on single target and will take some getting used to so don’t expect your first runs to be succesful.

Due to no longer using Balance of All Things there is no longer as compelling of a reason to Starsurge at the beginning of an Eclipse and thus you can often save Astral Power for movement without any relevant dps loss. Starsurge Empowerment exists but it is a very weak effect.

On single target about 65% of your damage will be during CA/Inc+ Ravenous Frenzy meaning it is extremely important to be able to cast during that time and that the target will live for the entire duration of your cooldowns. Since the legendary only does anything during our cooldowns you will do about 20% less damage outside cooldowns than you did with NF-BoAT Balance Druid.

Single target priority list OUTSIDE cooldowns:

  • Keep up Moonfire, Sunfire and Stellar Flare and refresh within pandemic
  • Enter the next Eclipse, preferring Solar Eclipse
  • Cast Fury of Elune if it will be up again for your next usage in CA/Inc
  • Cast Starsurge when you would overcap Astral Power before entering the next Eclipse. This usually equates to spending 3 Starsurges at the start like you did with BoAT but can vary. Don’t spend if you need to move soon.
  • Cast Wrath in Solar Eclipse
  • Cast Starfire in Lunar Eclipse
  • Cast dots if have nothing to cast while you are moving

Single target priority list BEFORE cooldowns:

  • Make sure to have 90+ Astral Power before using cooldowns. The only exception is when Bloodlust would run out before Inc expires at which point you Inc+Frenzy sooner. This happens with Bloodlust on pull.
  • Make sure Fury of Elune will be up at the end.

Single target priority list INSIDE cooldowns: Before the 5s extension buff:

  • Use Berserking at the start of Frenzy without Bloodlust or at 6s of the initial buff remaining with Bloodlust.
  • Use your trinket so that it will be for the rest of your cooldowns. Never ever use off gcd items/spells between casts, always use them during a gcd. (For exact timings see Timings sections).
  • Use pot at 17s Ravenous Frenzy remaining
  • Cast Fury of Elune if the initial Ravenous Frenzy has 4 or less seconds remaining
  • Cast Starsurge to prevent capping Astral Power
  • Keep up Moonfire, Sunfire and Stellar Flare
  • Cast Wrath to fill until 150% haste at which point you should fill with Starfire.

During the 5s Ravenous Frenzy extension buff:

You can use the Venthyr timings WeakAura to show the exact timings of abilities.

With Stellar Drift AND Soul of the Forest it is only a 1% dps loss to use Starfall on CD including during Frenzy so if there is any movement at all use Starfall when you happen to be doing single target with it talented. With Incarnation instead you should be using Starsurges during Frenzy as it is a much bigger loss (1% loss still applies for outside Frenzy). DO NOT just use Stellar Drift for a pure single target fight as it is still a ~4% dps loss doing this compared to Stellar Flare .

2+ target priority OUTSIDE cooldowns:

Any situation:

  • Keep up Sunfire as long as your targets will live for another ~10 seconds (the amount of time is reduced per target hit).
  • Keep up Starfall at all times or use on cooldown with Stellar Drift .
  • Enter Solar Eclipse if you can’t enter Lunar Eclipse.
  • Before Lunar Eclipse cast Moonfire if:
    • All targets can be hit by Starfire.
    • There are 5 or less targets (10 or less with Twin Moons).
    • All targets will live through the entire Lunar Eclipse.
    • You will not lose Starfall uptime.
  • Enter Lunar Eclipse if you can.

During Solar Eclipse:

  • Use Starsurge to prevent overcapping.
  • Keep up Moonfire on up to 10 targets (20 with Twin Moons) if they will live through the next Eclipse and you won’t lose Starfall uptime.
  • Starfire when 5 targets can be hit by it, increased by 1 target for every 20% mastery you have.
  • Cast Wrath.

During Lunar Eclipse:

  • Use Starsurge to prevent overcapping AsP until 6 targets at which point you should overcap.
  • Refresh Moonfire if you are at 4 (8 with Twin Moons) targets or below if the targets will live through the next Eclipse.
  • Cast Starfire.

BEFORE cooldowns:

  • If the pack will last more than 35s put Moonfire on up to 8 targets (16 with Twin Moons). This happens very rarely but is a gain in case it happens.
  • Refresh Sunfire so you only have to refresh it once during Cooldowns.

DURING Ravenous Frenzy:

  • Refresh Sunfire during pandemic.
  • Keep Starfall up at all times or on cooldown with Stellar Drift.
  • Refresh Moonfire on up to 6 (12 with Twin Moons) targets when they will live for another ~20 seconds.
  • Use the FrenyzFiller Weakaura to see which filler should be cast. The recommendations this WeakAura gives is not correct when your targets will die before your cooldowns end or the targets are spread.
  • If the filler is Wrath or up to 5 targets use Starsurge to prevent overcapping.

Timings:

This is a list of timings of ability/item usages during Ravenous Frenzy. All of these are included in the Venthyr timings WeakAura. The seconds listed here are how much time the Ravenous Frenzy buff without the extension should have left.

Inscrutable Quantum Device:

Condition Buff remaining
Instructor's Divine Bell equipped and no Bloodlust 20s
Instructor's Divine Bell equipped and Bloodlust active 17s
Bloodlust active 15s
None of the above conditions 12s

Instructor's Divine Bell:

Condition Buff remaining
Inscrutable Quantum Device equipped after IQD ICD
Any other situation 4s

Fury of Elune:

Condition Buff remaining
Any situation 3s or with Bell

Berserking:

Condition Buff remaining
Bloodlust active 6s
Any other situation instantly

Potion of Spectral Intellect:

Condition Buff remaining
Bloodlust active 15s
Any other situation 17s

Celestial Alignment (when using SotF in Dungeons):
At 10s + your Precise Alignment time value remaining. For example with a heroic Precise Alignment which adds 8.5s at 18.5s.

Empyreal Ordnance: This heavily depends on distance to target. At 30m it would be 3s before using Ravenous Frenzy.

The following are minor things you can do to gain a small amount of extra damage once you are comfortable with the rotation:

  • Dotting outside Eclipse without losing dot uptime on single target is a ~0.4% gain when not using Solstice.
  • At 150%+ haste using Starfire is minorly better than Wrath on single target. This will only happen with Power Infusion or very high base haste.
  • When Ravenous Frenzy has less than your current fillers cast time left you should already start dumping Astral Power to get another 1-2 stacks. This is about a 0.6% gain.
  • With Stellar Drift it is only a very minor loss (1-2%) to Starfall during Ravenous Frenzy as long as you enter Sinful Hysteria with 90+ AsP.
  • Without Incarnation and a low enough Precise Alignment it is a minor gain to use Ravenous Frenzy before Celestial Alignment so that CA will be up throughout Frenzy+Hysteria. The exact timing depends on your Precise Alignment rank but it should be no more than 2 globals after the Frenzy cast.
  • If the fight time allows it wait for Euphoria/Fatal Flaw(Nadija Soulbinds) before using cooldowns. This is relevant for 5-6 min kill times.
  • If the fight allows it wait for pot to be up again. This is relevant for 6min fights.

Simming:

Once everything is on live you will be able to sim as normal and that will, as always, give you the best results. It is to note that for Venthyr sims adjusting the fight duration can have a relevant impact on how strong some items maybe so it can be beneficial to adjust the sim duration to fight the fight you are simming for. Keep in mind that there will be a 20% fight length variance in sims meaning that a 5min sim is actually a 4-6min sim.

Trinkets:

Generally you will want an on-use trinket and the strongest passive trinket you can find. The strongest on-use trinkets are Inscrutable Quantum Device, Empyreal Ordnance (yes, without double on-use) and Instructor's Divine Bell (yes, it’s still broken even at low ilvl). IQD and Bell can be combined for a minor dps increase in the sub 0.5% area, although if that is better with your ilvl trinket you will have to sim. The raid on-use trinkets are all bad because we are a 3min class.

As a passive trinket you have a plethora of options. For single target your best options are the new trinkets Titanic Ocular Gland (2nd boss raid), Forbidden Necromantic Tome (last boss raid), Tome of Monstrous Constructions (1st boss raid), Infinitely Divisble Ooze, Unbound Changeling, Soul Cage Fragment (World Boss) and a bunch of others. For AoE/M+ the damage proc trinkets fall off meaning you won’t want the Tome or Oooze but the other trinkets stay as good. As always just sim what trinkets are best from the ones you have.

Ideal stats:

Ideal stats are something that are not realistic to achieve and should thus not be a goal of any kind, this section is purely for interest. Independent of that with Venthyr Balance Druid mastery and haste are far, far more valuable than crit and vers as your sims will show. In fact when you could choose any kind of stats you wouldn’t want any crit or vers but again this is not realistic.